Episode 103
Donald Trump and Biblical Prophecy pt 1
Donald Trump and Biblical Prophecy pt 1
The central theme of today's interview revolves around the exploration of the intersection between contemporary global events and biblical prophecy, particularly in relation to the presidency of Donald Trump.
My guest today is Dr. Bob Thiel, a distinguished authority on prophecy, as we delve into his latest work, "Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump's Presidency."
Dr. Thiel's extensive research and insights provide a compelling framework for understanding how these prophecies may influence our present and future circumstances. Throughout our conversation, we invite listeners to critically consider the implications of these revelations and their relevance to our contemporary world.
Takeaways:
- The podcast emphasizes the importance of understanding current global events through the lens of biblical prophecy, which reveals a deeper significance behind seemingly random occurrences.
- Dr. Bob Thiel discusses his extensive research into various prophecies, illustrating how they correlate with contemporary political developments, particularly the presidency of Donald Trump.
- The episode looks at the concept of unintended consequences regarding Trump's leadership, suggesting that his actions may inadvertently fulfill prophetic writings from multiple religious traditions.
- Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the implications of prophecy on modern society, particularly how it shapes perceptions of leadership and crisis management around the world.
- The conversation includes a critical analysis of the Malachi prophecies surrounding the papacy, particularly focusing on the current pope's role in prophetic interpretations.
- Ultimately, the podcast serves as a call to awareness, urging listeners to recognize the signs of the times as aligned with biblical expectations for the future.
CONTACT INFORMATION:
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Book: “Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump’s Presidency?” – on Amazon
Book: “Donald Trump and America’s Apocalypse” – on Amazon
Transcript
Welcome to Revelation Warning, a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor Robert Thibodeau as he interviews prophecy experts from around the world as we discuss current events in relation to Bible prophecy.
Speaker A:All of this is to give the world a final Revelation Warning.
Speaker A:Now, here is your host with this week's guest, Pastor Robert Thibodeau.
Speaker B:Hello, everyone, everywhere.
Speaker B:Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Revelation Warning podcast.
Speaker B:We are so blessed that you're joining us here today.
Speaker B:Have you ever wondered if world events are more than just political shifts and economic cycles?
Speaker B:What if everything happening right now, global conflicts, shifting alliances, even the leadership of President Donald Trump, was foretold long ago?
Speaker B:Today, we're diving into a conversation that will challenge what you think that you know about history and prophecy and the future.
Speaker B:Today we're joined by Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel, one of the world's foremost authorities on prophecy and a highly regarded researcher.
Speaker B:With multiple research awards and a background in theology, philosophy and science, Dr.
Speaker B:Thiel has authored numerous works on biblical and global prophecy.
Speaker B:He also leads the Continuing Church of God and has traveled extensively to study ancient sites and historical contexts.
Speaker B:In this interview, we're going to be discussing his book Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump's presidency, exploring how Trump's leadership aligns with biblical, Islamic and other prophetic writings.
Speaker B:The actual name of the book is Unintended Consequences and.
Speaker B:And Donald Trump's presidency is Donald Trump fulfilling Biblical, Islamic, Greco Roman Catholic, Buddhist and other America related prophecies.
Speaker B:Since that's so long, I'll just refer to it in this interview as Unintended Consequences or Unintended Consequences in Donald Trump's presidency.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:With all that being said, help me.
Speaker B:Welcome to the program Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel.
Speaker B:Dr.
Speaker B:Bob, it is a blessing to finally get you on this program today.
Speaker B:I appreciate your time.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Now, the first question I always start with is this.
Speaker B:Other than that brief information I just share, can you tell us in your own words, who is Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel?
Speaker C:A Christian.
Speaker C:I was actually raised Roman Catholic.
Speaker C:Then when I was a teenager, young teenager, somebody gave my youngest brother a New Testament and he didn't seem that interested in it, so he gave it to me and I started to read it.
Speaker C:And when I started to read it, said, wow, this doesn't look anything like I heard from church, so this is kind of different.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:So for a while I attended something called the Salem Bible Church.
Speaker C:But then one day we were singing a particular song and.
Speaker C:And afterwards I went up to the pastor.
Speaker C:Now I'm only 16 and said, hey, we just sung about something, but that isn't really what the Bible teaches, right?
Speaker C:He said, oh no, the Bible doesn't teach that.
Speaker C:And I said, then why are we singing this song?
Speaker C:Oh, well, because people like it.
Speaker C:So that was pretty much it.
Speaker C:And so I was not sure what I believe.
Speaker C:I mean, I had an idea.
Speaker C:I believe the Bible.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I wanted to make with that, but beyond that, I wasn't sure.
Speaker C:I studied with the, I said the SDA church.
Speaker C:I studied the Mormons.
Speaker C:I looked at the Church of God, various ones, and ended up Church of God.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:So that was back in the 70s, so this is a long time, a long time since.
Speaker C:So that gives you a little bit of background.
Speaker C:I did spend some time in the military because I wasn't sure what to do at a young age.
Speaker C:I became a certified management accountant.
Speaker C:I was actually vice president, the company that invented irrigation sprinklers.
Speaker C:And I went back to school, got different degrees and actually owned a nutritional supplement company.
Speaker C:But I spent most of my time overseeing the continuing Church of God.
Speaker C:We have people, I don't know, 15, 20 countries, I don't in that exact number.
Speaker C:Much smaller than the SGA church, but similar to the Seventh Day Adventists.
Speaker C:We do observe the seventh Day Sabbath and we also don't eat biblically unclean meats.
Speaker C:And I'm somewhat familiar with fair amount of Adventist theology.
Speaker C:As a matter of fact, one of my employees is an SDA as well.
Speaker C:So maybe that helps a little bit.
Speaker C:And I started to write books on prophecy because I was writing a book on church history.
Speaker C:This is going back 20 years.
Speaker C:And I'm thinking.
Speaker C:And it was a very big, thick, long book.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And it was like 600 pages, single spaced, eight and a half by 11 when I was working at it.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C: is movie was coming out about: Speaker C:That's interesting.
Speaker C:Well, then we went to the movies again, I don't know, a month or two later.
Speaker C: hanged it to like November of: Speaker C: ybe I could put a book out on: Speaker C:So that was the start of those kind of books.
Speaker C: So I wrote this book called: Speaker C: not going to end December of: Speaker C:But I did go through some other things that I thought would or would not happen.
Speaker C: And by the end of: Speaker C:By the way, what happened based on biblical prophecies.
Speaker C:But you mentioned non biblical prophecies.
Speaker C:Now, what's funny about that, and this actually now I think about it, will tie in with Donald Trump, is that one of the people I did an interview with back then, I did a bunch of radio interviews and there was somebody out of Sacramento and she had me on and she had gone through the book and said, well, you're talking about the beast and the Antichrist.
Speaker C:Everybody's going to know about this.
Speaker C:Already know about this stuff, so they'll know it's coming.
Speaker C:I said, uh.
Speaker C:He says, well, what do you mean?
Speaker C:I said, let me tell you something now first let your audience know I believe in biblical prophecy above all others.
Speaker C:But we also know about we're not supposed to be ignorant of Satan's devices.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:And Satan, in my opinion, has been planting his prophecies through his seers and false prophets for a long, long time.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:So I said to her, the Chinese, from The Tang Dynasty, 6th to 9th century, they've got prophecies that beautiful people will come from the West.
Speaker C:I said, the west of China, probably Europe.
Speaker C:Then one of their prophecies says, europe now has.
Speaker C:Excuse me, China now has a saint, but he's not that good of a person.
Speaker C:Are the Chinese waiting for the Antichrist to rise up?
Speaker C:It's going through my head.
Speaker C:So I mentioned that to her.
Speaker C:So just look at a billion and a half Chinese.
Speaker C:And then I said about the Greco Roman Catholics.
Speaker C:They have prophecies for going back to around the, the 4th century that says a leader is going to rise up.
Speaker C:He's called the great monarch.
Speaker C:He's supposed to rise up when Catholicism becomes weak in Europe.
Speaker C:That's kind of happening.
Speaker C:And then with that, a pope that's supposed to rise up and he's going to do miracles and say he's the guy.
Speaker C:Well, I think you're talking about the beast and the false prophet there.
Speaker C:Okay, yeah.
Speaker C:So I said, so you've got a billion and a half.
Speaker C:If you had Eastern Orthodox billion, have 2 billion Catholic Orthodox, Roman Catholics Orthodox.
Speaker C:That's a lot of people.
Speaker C:Now, what about Muslims?
Speaker C:Muslims, close to 2 billion of them too, by the way.
Speaker C:Muslims have prophecies that they're going to make a deal with a Roman Catholic leader out of Europe and a peace deal, and that the Roman Catholic leader is going to break the deal.
Speaker C:Well, I know there's a deal mentioned in Daniel, chapter nine, verse 27, that's broken in the middle.
Speaker C:We also know that the person who makes the deal, he's called a Prince in Daniel 9.
Speaker C: he breaks the deal in Daniel: Speaker C:So I said, so you got the Muslims are kind of setting up for this.
Speaker C:Now, I mentioned Donald Trump.
Speaker C:Now, this one's interesting that I told this hostess, I said the Hindus have a prophecy that somebody called the Bhagwan Kalki is going to rise up and people are supposed to take up arms to support him and said, I've read Hindu writings and it doesn't look like it has to be a Hindu.
Speaker C:Now, what's this got to do with this stuff?
Speaker C:Oddly, and I don't think Donald Trump is the Bhagwan Kalki, by the way, Bhagwan Kalki is supposed to be the last incarnation of Hindu false God Vishnu.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:According to a guy by the name of.
Speaker C:Let me get his name right.
Speaker C:Vishnu Gupta.
Speaker C:He is or was a senator in India.
Speaker C:He's the chief of the Hindu Sena party.
Speaker C: Back in: Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C: cky is supposed to rise up in: Speaker C:Now, I do not believe that Donald Trump is the Bhagwan talking, but I do believe that his timing is consistent with certain biblical prophecies and that he's going to do certain things inadvertently to result in biblical prophecies to be fulfilled.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:That's a very long introduction.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Amen.
Speaker B:Well, you mentioned, you know, Catholicism and all that.
Speaker B:I don't want to get your opinion on this because of the health of the pope right.
Speaker B:Now, I'm sure you're familiar with the Malachi prophecy.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:About the last Pope.
Speaker B:What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker C:Actually, I wrote a book called the Last Pope that came out within a day of Francis being pope.
Speaker C:But I also said if he didn't do certain new signs and lying wonders, okay.
Speaker C:Which he hasn't done, that he's not the guy.
Speaker C:Now, it's funny you should mention this, because I'm working on a new edition of that book just in case or Francis dies.
Speaker C:Now, according to the Malachi prophecies Now, Malachi was a bishop of Rome out of Ireland.
Speaker C:And according to legend, I think it's in the 12th century, he was heading over to Rome.
Speaker C:Before he got to Vatican City, he saw this vision and he wrote down in Latin a few words about each pope, future pope.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:He wrote down this, about 112 of them.
Speaker C:Now this writing wasn't discovered until like the 16th century.
Speaker C:And people said that it's a fraud because it was too perfect.
Speaker C:It worked.
Speaker C:Everything from the 12th century popes up to the 16th century, they said this was a fraud in order to get people to elect this one guy Pope.
Speaker C:Okay, and maybe that you could say that, except if you looked at what happened afterwards, people have lined up with this.
Speaker C:Now, I didn't look at every single one, but I did look at a lot of them.
Speaker C:And Pope John Paul ii, for example, was called the labor of the Sun.
Speaker C:And he was, I think he was born the day of a solar eclipse.
Speaker C:He died on the day of the solar eclipse and some other things like that.
Speaker C:And then number 111 was Benedict.
Speaker C:And he was supposed to do something for the glory of the olive.
Speaker C:And that was the symbol of the Benedictines.
Speaker C:And the next pope is supposed to be the last one, which is number 112.
Speaker C:Now, there's two or three things I'm going to point out.
Speaker C:I bought a book, I don't know, 20 years ago on the Malachi prophecies.
Speaker C: thor, the book was written in: Speaker C:So Catholic writings allow for that.
Speaker C:The other thing that's going on is a lot of people consider, I don't know a lot, but there's a number of people who considered Francis to be an anti pope because they question whether he's truly Catholic because of his positions on, let's say, homosexual matters and aspects of LGBTQ agenda.
Speaker C:And so plus the fact that he was elected when there was a Pope who was still alive.
Speaker C:So some say he doesn't count.
Speaker C:So the next one will be the last Pope, perhaps, if the timing is right for the next one to be the last Pope.
Speaker C:On the other hand, if this particular pope miraculously recovers and starts to do various signs and wonders, I mean, it could be him.
Speaker C:Now, we got to be careful about non biblical prophecies because Satan uses them to deceive.
Speaker C:Now, how would Satan use this one to deceive?
Speaker C:Well, if he's the next one, he'll say he's the One that was foreordained 807, 800, 800 years ago.
Speaker C:And you got to listen to this guy because he was prophesied.
Speaker C:On the other hand, when you do a comparison of what Malachi wrote, the Bishop Malachi wrote about this guy, and the Book of revelation, particular chapter 17 would be, this is a warning about this guy.
Speaker C:So, yes, I am familiar with the Malachi prophecies, and I think.
Speaker B:Also, didn't the Malachi prophecy say that the last pope would be a Jesuit, which is what this pope is?
Speaker C:It does not specify that, No.
Speaker C:I actually did take Latin in high school, and I have read it.
Speaker C:I read it in Latin and in English.
Speaker C:It doesn't have to be a Jesuit.
Speaker C:It could be a Jesuit, but doesn't have to be a Jesuit.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:My read of revelation, chapter 17 basically says that the one who I believe will be the last pope, which I consider will be an anti pope.
Speaker C:I'll explain that in just a moment.
Speaker C:He will betray the Church of Rome.
Speaker C:So less people call this Catholic bashing.
Speaker C:I don't believe that the last pope who will support the beast of Revelation is going to be faithful to the Catholic Church.
Speaker C:For example, when Benedict was the pope, while I don't agree with him theologically, in many other ways, I consider him a real Roman Catholic.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:He believed in it.
Speaker C:He wrote the.
Speaker C:He rewrote the catechism of the Catholic Church.
Speaker C:He's not an anti pope, but the last one, I think will be an anti pope.
Speaker C:He'll protect.
Speaker C:He and the beast will pretend to accept a form of Catholicism, then they'll betray it.
Speaker C:So that's a Jesuit who does it or someone else that's not in Scripture.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Well, you know, many people think prophecy is just religious speculation, and yet you made over 22 predictions about Trump's presidency that have already come true.
Speaker B: published your first book in: Speaker C:Well, there are quite a few.
Speaker C:I'll tell you a funny one, though.
Speaker C:I did a radio interview with somebody who was part of the Republican convention.
Speaker C: He was a delegate back in: Speaker C:And I went over a list of probably at that time, like, eight or nine things that had already started to happen.
Speaker C:And one of the things he disagreed with me on was I said, well, Donald Trump's presidency, we're going to increase debt.
Speaker C:He's like, no, that's not going to happen.
Speaker C:During the Trump presidency.
Speaker C:Well, yes, it did.
Speaker C:And not just what happened then.
Speaker C:If you don't mind, let me talk a little bit more about what's happening now since my book came out.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker C:My current book about unintended consequences came out a couple of days before Donald Trump's second term.
Speaker C:His first term is 47th president, but second term office began one of them.
Speaker C:For example, I said gold would hit record prices in terms of US Dollars.
Speaker C:That's happened at least twice now.
Speaker C:One critic of mine wrote, well, anybody could have guessed that because gold has to go up.
Speaker C:No, gold does not have to go up.
Speaker C:Biblically, I think it does.
Speaker C:And the reason for that, by the way, is you look at end time prophecies in the Book of Daniel, chapter 11, verses 40 to 43, and you look at what happens with the end time Babylonian beast power.
Speaker C:You read that people had gold.
Speaker C:Okay, so this tells me that after certain fiat currency currencies like the US Dollar is gone, that the gold will have a certain value.
Speaker C:So there was one thing, but a lot of things, let's say bigger things have happened.
Speaker C:Well, actually, with his first presidency, within a month of him getting elected, I warned that he was going to offend the Germans.
Speaker C:The Germans would take certain actions and they did.
Speaker C:They also started something.
Speaker C:Europeans started something called pesco, which most people have never even heard of.
Speaker C:What is pesco?
Speaker C:That stands for permanent structured cooperation.
Speaker C:So the Europeans started to have their own European military.
Speaker C:Now, not every country in the EU is in it, only 25 of the 27.
Speaker C:So that's pretty much everybody.
Speaker C:I think everybody's in it except the little island of Malta and Denmark.
Speaker C:They've got pesco and they're working on that.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:I said in my current book, as well as my previous one, that Donald Trump's rise would encourage the Europeans to unify.
Speaker C:And when he makes certain statements that offends them, he's bringing them closer together because I hate to use this expression, but the enemy, your enemy is your friend as an expression.
Speaker C:And so he is getting the Europeans to think they have to be more unified.
Speaker C:Also, I said in this book and in the last one, Donald Trump would get them to want to spend more on their military.
Speaker C:Now, in the last week or so, they've been having all these emergency meetings because they apparently didn't believe what Donald Trump said about Ukraine and nor did Vladimir Zelensky.
Speaker C:I actually posted a week before the.
Speaker C:A few days, at least a few days, about a week or two before they met in the White House a couple of weeks back that What Donald Trump's attitude was toward Ukraine.
Speaker C:Apparently the president of Ukraine didn't understand this.
Speaker C:The president, Ukraine goes out and doesn't understand Donald Trump's attitude is, why are we spending money in Ukraine?
Speaker C:Okay, Ukraine, you're not really in our interest.
Speaker C:We don't really want to fight Russia.
Speaker C:And by the way, Zelensky, you were mean to me a couple of times.
Speaker C:So why would he think that Donald Trump would be on his side when, when, you know, Trump's position is America first?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And when he asked him, I think once, he was shocked, you know, whose side are you on?
Speaker C:Kind of reminds me in the Bible, Joshua sees an angel, says the angel, are you who's siding on our side of the enemies?
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:And he says, huh?
Speaker C:I'm on.
Speaker C:I'm on God's side.
Speaker C:Okay, so, so anyway.
Speaker C:But apparently the Europeans didn't quite get the message until after what happened with the Trump Zelensky advance meeting.
Speaker C:And so now they've gotten the message, which is, one, they don't think Ukraine can be defended sufficiently without the United States.
Speaker C:They're going to put some money in there.
Speaker C:And two, if this could happen to Ukraine, what about Europe?
Speaker C:Now, there's a big difference.
Speaker C:Contractually, we're in NATO.
Speaker C:We're supposed to help Europe, but Ukraine is not in NATO.
Speaker C:And so they want to be.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:Well, they, they want, they want to be, but a lot of Americans don't want to remember the fact that we promised Russia that none of these Eastern European countries were going to join NATO.
Speaker C:And they all have, pretty much, except Ukraine and Moldova and some, and some of the Balkan states aren't, but the rest of Europe is pretty much in NATO.
Speaker B:Now, my, My kids asked me, you know, what.
Speaker B:What is the big deal about, you know, Ukraine joining NATO or not?
Speaker B:I said, well, let me put it like this.
Speaker B:I said, if Russia took over Canada, the United States, and have an issue with it, you know, because they're like, right there, one mile from the border, you know, they can mask their whole army right there.
Speaker B:We can't do nothing about it.
Speaker B:You know, I said, russia's looking at this same way.
Speaker B:They like that little buffer of neutral countries, you know, supposedly neutral countries, at least to give them a buffer between NATO and them.
Speaker B:And so that's.
Speaker C:Well, one of the things a lot of people don't understand is that everybody used to call it the Ukraine.
Speaker C:And what that meant, by the way, was the borderlands, okay?
Speaker C:That's what Russia viewed it as its border, as its Borderland.
Speaker C:That's what the word Ukraine actually means.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:And so anyway, Donald Trump's made it clear that, you know, when, when Zelensky is like, well, you guys didn't loan us money, you gave us a grant.
Speaker C:It was free.
Speaker C:And Donald Trump's, okay, well, then we don't need to give you anything else.
Speaker C:So anyway, having, having, having said that, this has really motivated Europeans.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the Europeans now have decided that they need to spend a lot of money in their military.
Speaker C:They had a meeting last week under their EU Commission.
Speaker C:President Oslo von der Leyen proposed an 800 billion euro military budget, roughly 850 to $870,000.
Speaker C:I haven't looked at the value of the euro lately.
Speaker C:This is a massive thing.
Speaker C:And how they want to fund it is they want to change the rules.
Speaker C:The EU has these rules that you can't have a deficit of more than 2% in a year.
Speaker C:And the Germans also had something called a debt break, so they can't have major debt.
Speaker C:Well, they want to get rid of that.
Speaker C:Germany just had an election a couple of weeks back, and in this election, it looks like Friedrich Merz is going to be the new chancellor.
Speaker C:And he had a couple of meetings he's had the day of the election.
Speaker C:He actually said, I think we need to be independent of the United States militarily.
Speaker C:And I can't believe I said this on television.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then a couple of days back, he said that it's against our constitution for us to produce nuclear weapons, but we think we need more nuclear weapons.
Speaker C:So he's talking to France, he's talking to the UK and of course, what's to stop?
Speaker C:And I, and I have no reason to pick on these specific countries, but just they're in Europe.
Speaker C:What's to stop the Czech Republic or Slovakia or Hungary or Poland or Spain or Italy to start working on nukes or whatever.
Speaker C:So they are working on arming.
Speaker C:And that's one of the things I warned would be an unintended consequence.
Speaker C:Now, you know, U.S.
Speaker C:government starting a long time back, including with Barack Obama, said Europeans are not spending enough, Europeans are not spending enough.
Speaker C:And Trump told them this before, though Trump did scare them the first time.
Speaker C:And he did start to do some stuff.
Speaker C:Then when Russia began its special military operation into Ukraine, Germany announced it would spend 100 billion euros to try to kickstart his defense.
Speaker C:But not.
Speaker C:That still wasn't the final factor.
Speaker C:Now, the Europeans had a meeting last week, and one of the topics, and this is from Euro News by the Way, which is a pro EU thing.
Speaker C:One of the topics is, should Europe consider still consider the United States an ally?
Speaker C:So we're starting.
Speaker C:We're risking turning a friend into an enemy.
Speaker C:Now, in the Book of Lamentations, and this is in my Trump book too, by the way, I'm telling you right now, but the Book of Lamentations, chapter 1, verses 1 and 2, talks about the one which was great among the nations.
Speaker C:Now, we think in our church that this is perhaps a reference to the United States of America, which is considered great by most people in the world.
Speaker C:United States, a great nation.
Speaker C:It says it will be conquered and its friends have become its enemies.
Speaker C:And so while I can understand from a physical perspective why Donald Trump goes out and says, hey, United States spends more for its military than all you NATO countries combined.
Speaker C:Times.
Speaker C:It used to be times three.
Speaker C:Now I think it's about times two.
Speaker C:Why should we have to pay to defend you?
Speaker C:He doesn't like their trade issues.
Speaker C:He doesn't like how they treat us in other matters.
Speaker C:And he's like, you guys need to pay more.
Speaker C:Well, do you have children?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:When you've got children, they live at your house, they kind of need to do what you tell them.
Speaker C:They may not always, but pretty much.
Speaker C:Well, when they got their own money and they live out on their own, maybe they don't want to listen quite as much.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:Well, you empower people, or you can encourage people to have their own militaries, they might decide to use them in a way you didn't expect it to.
Speaker C:So that's one of the unintended consequences of this.
Speaker C:We have a difference from the SDA Church in that we believe that when the Bible's Talking in Revelation 13 about a military power that looks dead but has a mortal wound and becomes alive, and people say, who is like the beast who can make war with him?
Speaker C:We believe that is a reference to a European power.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:We don't believe Europe is there yet.
Speaker C:As Jesus said, Matthew 24, I'll quote one of those things.
Speaker C:He said, the end is not yet.
Speaker C:But we do see these things as helping line up toward the end.
Speaker C:So Europe getting a military is part of it.
Speaker B:So you actually see we're witnessing right now the unraveling of the post World War II world order.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We are seeing a shift, a shift that we've never seen before.
Speaker C:And Poland says, for example, they're going to double the size of their army.
Speaker C:Now, In Revelation, chapter 11, verse 25, it says that Europe is going to have a great army.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And revel in Daniel, chapter 11, verse 40.
Speaker C:It says it's going to have chariots and many ships, which to me means weaponry.
Speaker C:And right now they're working on that.
Speaker C: r a long time when I wrote my: Speaker C:Is if they didn't expect what was going to happen.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:And so that's kind of what what I thought.
Speaker C:So I thought, well, you know, Europe is going to work on technology.
Speaker C:They've got the Large Hadron Collider.
Speaker C:They've got some other things.
Speaker C:But it was beyond that.
Speaker C:It was like, well, how could they.
Speaker C:They do this?
Speaker C:Well, In Daniel, chapter 11, I think it's verses 24 to 25, it says this person is going to enter peaceably and do something that his ancestors, his fathers, never did.
Speaker C:He's going to enter the strongholds.
Speaker C:Now, you mentioned World War II.
Speaker C:Well, the United States was involved in World War I and World War II.
Speaker C:Germany never really attacked the United States.
Speaker C:I realize there's some minor things.
Speaker C:I've heard stories about some U boats coming off the coast and maybe some Germans came on, but there was no major invasion.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Of the United States back then, either the Times or Canada for that matter.
Speaker C:I think again, there were some times, maybe a couple of troops went over there, but not.
Speaker C:Nothing serious.
Speaker C:But I read about this in Daniel 11, that he's going to do that now in Daniel 11, verse 39.
Speaker C: did a radio interview back in: Speaker C: een the first one I did on my: Speaker C:And the host was a former Baptist who is now a Muslim.
Speaker C:And he says to me, you're talking about the United States and prophecy.
Speaker C:Where, where in the Bible does it, does it say that?
Speaker C:And I said, well, the first scripture that comes to mind is Daniel 11, verse 39.
Speaker C:And I said, let me.
Speaker C:If you don't mind, let me tell you what it says.
Speaker C:He says, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker C:Now, I'm going to paraphrase from the new King James says.
Speaker C:Then he this is talking about the European king of the north will go against the strongest fortresses with a foreign God, conquer and divide the land for many.
Speaker C:I said, well, who has the strongest military right now?
Speaker C:Well, the United States of America.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And that also ties into this, a few verses up about this guy going into the strongholds and entering peaceably.
Speaker C:So I'VE wondered.
Speaker C:This is, this is speculation.
Speaker C:I've speculated that perhaps things will get real tense between the United States and Europe at some point in time.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's not hard to imagine.
Speaker B:Hey folks, Pastor Bob here.
Speaker B:What a time for today's portion.
Speaker B:This great interview with Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel as we've been discussing information from his book Unintended Consequences and the Donald Trump Presidency.
Speaker B:Now I'm telling you, he's going into a lot of detail, but it's opening to our eyes to some things that are mentioned in the Bible in various places.
Speaker B:And folks, this is a.
Speaker B:It's a great interview and we're only halfway through it.
Speaker B:Praise God.
Speaker B:We got more information to cover in the very next episode.
Speaker B:You do not want to miss it.
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Speaker B:Amen.
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